Jawa Report links to this post requesting some reasons that MAD for Mecca won't work aside from the hysterical sorts of silliness we have seen so far from usually normal folks like Hugh Hewitt, Captains Quarters Blog and others. I cannot offer a reason that it won't work but I can say that it may work while not working in convincing terrorists not to attack. This could happen by being a serious disincentive for the average Muslim to cheer these murderers on, it could work by convincing the Imams that supporting such monsters is really unhealthy, taking away the terrorist base would be a significant blow to the thugs. My boy is falling asleep on my lap now so cannot elaborate but I suspect those who have far more inventiveness than I can see where I am heading.
Alrighty then its the next day we finished breakfast and my kids are amusing themselves at Grandmothers house in Las Vegas on our vacation. Las Vegas is on the list to be attacked according to some papers captured from our mortal enemies. Its personal to me.
My point about this statement from Rep Tancredo is no options should ever be taken out of the realm of possibility. In addition while it is likely that such a strike wouldn't actually deter the Terrorists directly it would cripple them operationally by removing their base. Right now a significant portion of the muslim population while not being directly involved in terror indirectly supports this madness because the price of supporting them is so small while the price of not supporting them is sometimes being targeted by them. At the point where a US City has been destroyed the entire war has to be brought home to them in the most expensive way. They have to look at their situation and realize that while not supporting the terrorists may be dangerous, supporting them is fatal.
Much more at Froggy Ruminations, Media Lies, Baldilocks and Say Anything
And here are some other posts regarding this subject here and here
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The guest blogger over at Captains Quarters wasn't finished insulting us so I decided to respond.
What has been impressive from the first post is the ad hominem attacks against those of us who believe it is possible that we are indeed in a war with Islam. Its not just you Dafydd its everyone involved in the attempt to silence Tancredo. Its as if you all know how bankrupt your theories are about our enemies and you fear debate so you attempt to silence critics by personal attacks.
So it's a bit thick to conclude that I have some global objection to "American
ire and angst against Islamic terrorism." I mean, really.
No its a bit rude for a guest poster to insult people who have been reading this blog and expect a better level of debate from those who post here. Your entire argument rests on the belief that Islam is a religion of peace. You have no evidence of that and indeed there are examples each and every day that this is not true. The people who are murdering us declare they are Islams holy warriors, the people who hide and support them believe that and the Imams that support them believe that but you declare it not the case. Prove it. Prove that those thousands of Imams around the world mean us well. It is not enough to recite the trite PC statements and to display your aversion to looking hard facts in the face.
So far I have been willing to go along with the proposition that we can cause a reformation inside of Islam by helping them gain freedom. I sincerely hope that is true your insults about my bloodthirstiness aside.
But the hypothesis Tancredo responded to was a nuclear weapon going off in a US city and the horror that this will be. At that point my patience will be over and it will be time to reform them by force. At this point they will be dealt with as every past fascist movement has been dealt with, ruthlessly attacking the entire body until the will to fight is broken.
What I call "the new antisemitism" is this thinking here:
Insinuating that there is anything roughly comparable between what happened to the Jews and what will happen to those who blow up one of our cities is more an example of your going over the top to silence debate than it is realistic.
1. Some Moslems attacked us, killing huge numbers of Americans;
2. We must retaliate;
3. So let's find some other Moslems somewhere and kill them, even
though they had nothing to do with the attack, because after all, one Moslem is
as good as any other Moslem.
No lets go to the center of those who finance and support terrorists and destroy their shrine. Lets go to the enemies capital and destroy it. We can destroy Medina first and if they rein in their forces we can spare Mecca but we must be clear that it will stop. By reining in their forces I mean each and every Imam at Friday prayers denounces Jihad against the Jews and Infidels in unequivocal terms....no ifs ands or buts. Let those who hide, finance and support those who destroyed a US City know that we will gladly destroy them all to prevent further destruction.
These madmen are not being hidden by Southern Baptists or Lutherans but by fellow muslims. They are doing this because they don't believe there is any penalty for doing so. In world war two there were penalties for a great number of "innocent" civilians who obliquely supported the Germans and Japanese. We bombed the hell out of plenty of people who had no direct ability to influence those governments but who did in fact support those governments by their silence.
That mode of thinking is precisely described by the terms "racism" and "antisemitism": the studied refusal to treat individuals as individuals but rather as nothing but faceless representatives of the class. (And it's "antisemitism" because Arabs are just as much semites as my remote ancestors are.) This is exactly what the terrorists do. And it is profoundly unAmerican. And if anyone here doesn't understand that, well... use your imagination.
The insults just keep rolling off your keyboard eh? The Strawman you construct to bolster your weak arguments are pretty sad. No one wants to kill millions, we didn't want this war to begin with, but if a city goes up in smoke and we find it impossible to retaliate because we refuse to understand who the enemy is it will be those of you who refuse to look at all the facts no matter how unpleasent who will be most responsible. Do you imagine it is impossible that we are in fact in a war of religions? Just because it is a terrible thought doesnt mean it cannot be.
Pierre Legrand
Pink Flamingo Main Page
Correction Messina should have been Mecca...duh!
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